He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (2025)

sb70012

Senior Member

Born in Iran living in China

Persian

  • Apr 25, 2017
  • #1

He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (2)

1. He has curly, brown hair.
2. He has brown, curly hair.

Hi,
Are both acceptable?

Thank you.

  • PaulQ

    Senior Member

    UK

    English - England

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #2

    The internet has the famous "The Royal Order of Adjectives" - it's worth taking a copy, even though all the types are not there, the table shows the default order.

    He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (4)

    sb70012

    Senior Member

    Born in Iran living in China

    Persian

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #3

    But Paul, most of the people say that there is not a good and general rule for the adjectives' orders. I mean there are some occasions that some adjectives' orders in a long sentence do not follow the rule you have mentioned.

    According to your explanation in the picture, my sentence #1 is correct and #2 is wrong. But in the book I teach to kids both are used that's why I am confused. I have taken a picture of the book I teach. Look at the pictures please:

    He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (6)

    Source of the exercise (kids' book): Family and Friends 1 by Naomi Simmons

    He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (7)

    Source of the exercise (kids' book): Teacher's Edition of the Family and Friends 1 by Naomi Simmons

    You see now? I am confused.

    J

    Juhasz

    Senior Member

    English - United States

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #4

    Either ordering works equally well for me. That diagram that PaulQ posted is a good starting point, but there are, as ever, numerous exceptions.

    PaulQ

    Senior Member

    UK

    English - England

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #5

    sb70012 said:

    But Paul, most of the people say that there is not a good and general rule for the adjectives' orders.

    Who are these people - what are their names and addresses! He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (9).... He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (10)

    I mean there are some occasions that some adjectives' orders in a long sentence do not follow the rule you have mentioned.

    If you knew that, why did you ask? He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (11) And, as my signature says, "There are no rules" He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (12)

    According to your explanation in the picture, my sentence #1 is correct and #2 is wrong.

    No. #1 is the default, #2 is an alternative.

    As I said:

    PaulQ said:

    the table shows the default order


    But in the book I teach to kids both

    As Juhasz says - the table is a good starting point - perhaps you can give copies to your students?

    kentix

    Senior Member

    English - U.S.

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #6

    I can live with either one of your sentences, although I do think the first one is more usual.

    But, let's take another example from the page.

    -- She has got straight, black hair.

    I would never, ever say:

    -- She has got black, straight hair.

    sb70012

    Senior Member

    Born in Iran living in China

    Persian

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #7

    Wow, so subtle and tricky.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (15)
    I wish I were a native English.

    sb70012

    Senior Member

    Born in Iran living in China

    Persian

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #8

    kentix said:

    I can live with either one of your sentences, although I do think the first one is more usual.

    But, let's take another example from the page.

    -- She has got straight, black hair.

    I would never, ever say:

    -- She has got black, straight hair.

    1. He has curly, brown hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (17)
    2. He has brown, curly hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (18)
    3. She has got straight, black hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (19)
    4. She has got black, straight hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (20)

    Thank you for answering but why is #2 right when #4 is wrong? They both use the same construction. Don't they?He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (21)

    Thank you.

    PaulQ

    Senior Member

    UK

    English - England

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #9

    kentix said:

    I would never, ever say:

    -- She has got black, straight hair.

    I think you might:

    A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
    B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
    A: "The one with the black straight hair." (I suspect "straight hair" becomes a noun phrase.)

    If the adjectives are not in the default order, the "odd one" is often the one that is emphasised.

    sb70012

    Senior Member

    Born in Iran living in China

    Persian

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #10

    PaulQ said:

    I think you might:

    A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
    B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
    A: "The one with the black, straight hair."

    If the adjectives are not in the default order, the "odd one" is often the one that is emphasised.

    Wonderful guidance. Thank you, Paul. Then my four sentences in post #8 can work.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (24)

    PaulQ

    Senior Member

    UK

    English - England

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #11

    I think so. As you see, they are not always interchangeable.

    Use this new power wisely. He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (26)

    kentix

    Senior Member

    English - U.S.

    • Apr 25, 2017
    • #12

    PaulQ said:

    I think you might:

    A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
    B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
    A: "The one with the black straight hair." (I suspect "straight hair" becomes a noun phrase.)

    Ha! Do you take me for a weakling?

    A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
    B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
    A: "I'm talking about the one with black hair."

    RM1(SS)

    Senior Member

    Connecticut

    English - US (Midwest)

    • Apr 26, 2017
    • #13

    sb70012 said:

    1. He has curly, brown hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (29)
    2. He has brown, curly hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (30)
    3. She has got straight, black hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (31)
    4. She has got black, straight hair.He has curly, brown hair. / He has brown, curly hair. (32)

    I agree with the marks regarding correctness. However, I would not use commas in 1 and 3, and I wouldn't use "has got."

    C

    Cagey

    post mod (English Only / Latin)

    California

    English - US

    • Apr 26, 2017
    • #14

    These are previous threads on this topic:

    sequence of adjectives [long curly brown hair]
    Adjective order mismatch [long blonde curly hair]
    order adjectives [long curly black hair]
    adjectives order [medium, curly dark hair]
    Order of adjectives [fair, long, curly hair + others]

    [I found them by searching for curly hair, the two most important words. I knew that there could be different colors, and I wanted to see them all.]

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