sb70012
Senior Member
Born in Iran living in China
Persian
- Apr 25, 2017
- #1
1. He has curly, brown hair.
2. He has brown, curly hair.
Hi,
Are both acceptable?
Thank you.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Apr 25, 2017
- #2
The internet has the famous "The Royal Order of Adjectives" - it's worth taking a copy, even though all the types are not there, the table shows the default order.
sb70012
Senior Member
Born in Iran living in China
Persian
- Apr 25, 2017
- #3
But Paul, most of the people say that there is not a good and general rule for the adjectives' orders. I mean there are some occasions that some adjectives' orders in a long sentence do not follow the rule you have mentioned.
According to your explanation in the picture, my sentence #1 is correct and #2 is wrong. But in the book I teach to kids both are used that's why I am confused. I have taken a picture of the book I teach. Look at the pictures please:
Source of the exercise (kids' book): Family and Friends 1 by Naomi Simmons
Source of the exercise (kids' book): Teacher's Edition of the Family and Friends 1 by Naomi Simmons
You see now? I am confused.
J
Juhasz
Senior Member
English - United States
- Apr 25, 2017
- #4
Either ordering works equally well for me. That diagram that PaulQ posted is a good starting point, but there are, as ever, numerous exceptions.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Apr 25, 2017
- #5
sb70012 said:
But Paul, most of the people say that there is not a good and general rule for the adjectives' orders.
Who are these people - what are their names and addresses! ....
I mean there are some occasions that some adjectives' orders in a long sentence do not follow the rule you have mentioned.
If you knew that, why did you ask? And, as my signature says, "There are no rules"
According to your explanation in the picture, my sentence #1 is correct and #2 is wrong.
No. #1 is the default, #2 is an alternative.
As I said:
PaulQ said:
the table shows the default order
But in the book I teach to kids both
As Juhasz says - the table is a good starting point - perhaps you can give copies to your students?
kentix
Senior Member
English - U.S.
- Apr 25, 2017
- #6
I can live with either one of your sentences, although I do think the first one is more usual.
But, let's take another example from the page.
-- She has got straight, black hair.
I would never, ever say:
-- She has got black, straight hair.
sb70012
Senior Member
Born in Iran living in China
Persian
- Apr 25, 2017
- #7
Wow, so subtle and tricky.
I wish I were a native English.
sb70012
Senior Member
Born in Iran living in China
Persian
- Apr 25, 2017
- #8
kentix said:
I can live with either one of your sentences, although I do think the first one is more usual.
But, let's take another example from the page.
-- She has got straight, black hair.
I would never, ever say:
-- She has got black, straight hair.
1. He has curly, brown hair.
2. He has brown, curly hair.
3. She has got straight, black hair.
4. She has got black, straight hair.
Thank you for answering but why is #2 right when #4 is wrong? They both use the same construction. Don't they?
Thank you.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Apr 25, 2017
- #9
kentix said:
I would never, ever say:
-- She has got black, straight hair.
I think you might:
A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
A: "The one with the black straight hair." (I suspect "straight hair" becomes a noun phrase.)
If the adjectives are not in the default order, the "odd one" is often the one that is emphasised.
sb70012
Senior Member
Born in Iran living in China
Persian
- Apr 25, 2017
- #10
PaulQ said:
I think you might:
A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
A: "The one with the black, straight hair."If the adjectives are not in the default order, the "odd one" is often the one that is emphasised.
Wonderful guidance. Thank you, Paul. Then my four sentences in post #8 can work.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Apr 25, 2017
- #11
I think so. As you see, they are not always interchangeable.
Use this new power wisely.
kentix
Senior Member
English - U.S.
- Apr 25, 2017
- #12
PaulQ said:
I think you might:
A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
A: "The one with the black straight hair." (I suspect "straight hair" becomes a noun phrase.)
Ha! Do you take me for a weakling?
A: "See that girl with the straight hair?"
B: "Which one, they've both got straight hair"
A: "I'm talking about the one with black hair."
RM1(SS)
Senior Member
Connecticut
English - US (Midwest)
- Apr 26, 2017
- #13
sb70012 said:
1. He has curly, brown hair.
2. He has brown, curly hair.
3. She has got straight, black hair.
4. She has got black, straight hair.
I agree with the marks regarding correctness. However, I would not use commas in 1 and 3, and I wouldn't use "has got."
C
Cagey
post mod (English Only / Latin)
California
English - US
- Apr 26, 2017
- #14
These are previous threads on this topic:
sequence of adjectives [long curly brown hair]
Adjective order mismatch [long blonde curly hair]
order adjectives [long curly black hair]
adjectives order [medium, curly dark hair]
Order of adjectives [fair, long, curly hair + others]
[I found them by searching for curly hair, the two most important words. I knew that there could be different colors, and I wanted to see them all.]
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